Our role is to draw people to Jesus . She lost the two kids.they decide to go live with their biological father. What is happening in our church assemblies is quite sad. I didn't join an unhealthy church on purpose. I have seen false prophetic words destroy peoples lives. Thank you, its so wonderful to know we are not alone in our journey. Many times I would sit in church and hear the preacher say something and wonder, Is that even biblical? then I would wonder if I had a demon or an evil spirit of unbelief (welcome to Pentecostal thinking my friends). I searched online desperate to find others like me and found very little comfort which motivated me to share my story. We did a bible study. Thank you for your courageous story. Wilkerson believed the denominations criteria created unnecessary obstacles to those he was training to be pastors. I searched out many testimonies when I was coming out for comfort and help. the faith. Its like, maybe they need to get the blinders off their own eyes before trying to point a finger at someone else. Im pleading for the cause of Christ that if anyone that reads this is tangled up with some of these things please run far from them. We are encouraged to develop our own relationship with Jesus at our own pace. These new revelations are being held in high regard by leaders with lots of influence and taught without resistance to MILLIONS, It has filtered into mainline denominations. Charismatic used to be an OK word, though it sounded like a disease to me. I recently left my church when there were some things creeping in..not spoken straight from the pulpitbut guest speakers and new ideas being implemented. I am called to pray for the bride, I hope you all are too. I am none too worried to be honest as experience has, to a larger degree, taught me wisdom and discernment. Quite right puresola that SDA is a cult and Mrs White a false prophet and the link I supplied about the book The Great Controversy warns people to avoid it and SDA. I am a person that will always be drawn to the authentic and when my own faith started to feel like I was going through the motions, I had to take a step backagain, like you and so many othersI am not stepping away from GOD, I am stepping away from the establishment that calls itself the church. It sound devlish. I prayed desperately for my own Well , Im not into Peter Wagner or Bob Jones or most of the TBN (LBN) group. I was a devoted follower of the Ramp, founded by Karen Wheaton featuring Perry stone (OCI ministries) Damon Thompson, Dutch Sheets the N.A.R crowd and many other famous ministers. In genuinely trying to reach people, and turn away from the legalistic and judgemental actions and teachings of the past, the church has tried to attract people by becoming like the world and has frequently merely resulted in the creation of a new, more wholesome (hopefully) social club. (LogOut/ Welcome to discernment, and thank you for the courage to tell your story! There My wife left me after becoming involved with this movement. I looked to those who were further along I can't really explain it all here because I'm just not that well spoken and articulate with my words. In the end, it is always the misinterpretation of the Bible. The holidays and false beliefs, & man made traditions. I pleaded with God to show me where I was I live in a small town called wolseley. Maybe I needed to stop working extra hours and devote more time to You must log in or register to reply here. U.S. IMMIGRATION POLICY KILLS. . Very interesting to read about Calvinism in particular as one of the most vehement opponents of post apostolic biblical manifestations is John MaCarthur, a well known Calvinist. No less miraculous but different. karpfmichael@hotmail.com, Pastor John MacArthur conducted a Bible conference on the charismatic movement a few years ago called Strange Fire. I think you would appreciate it! liar. I went to I just want to know the bible as intended. just "speaking in faith." same thing multiple times, that was also a sign of failure. Over the years I found that God takes things away from us so that He can be our only Rock and Anchor. Here are 10 things you should know about the Assemblies of God. I didn't They dont even have one bible verse in the sermon or compare to a bible story. Free at last. Certain pastors and leaders were held up as heroes in Should Christians live the gospel? (very few tricks in his arsenal) . That was rough after coming from a church where relationships were so central to church life. Spend time with the Lord, in a group or on your own doesnt matter, the focus is on my Beloved, not the people around me. Ellen white is a proven false prophet and I have no desire to follow a denomination who promotes them. One woman who claimed to be an evangelist was leading those meetings, and I remember her stopping, and with an evil laugh said Oh Lord, please keep it clean as if the Holy Spirit would ever make people do something unclean! I wound up joining a large and much It was then that I truly knew God was real to me. This was one of the main reasons I left the apostolic church. My pastors tried to Ive been humbled, but this thing has given me a new zeal not just to pursue Truth, but to pray for wisdom and discernment specifically, discernment of the spirits. When I joined the church, I had signed a "covenant" where I promised, among other things, to speak to the leadership Praise YHWH. The fact is, we need to be Bible-based and not blown about by every wind of doctrine. The left hates the Churchs love of the poor, which seeks to alleviate the sufferings of the unfortunate instead of inciting them to revolt against those who have more. The pastor brought in the prophets/apostles to promote the We Love Our City that our church was starting to implement. would be enough and I should never have expected it to be enough. We should spend time with Him to get to know Him as God in all His wonderfullness, also to find His road mapped out for ME, where He wants ME to serve in His Kingdom and that aint gonna happen by attending one service weekly and the rest of the time doing as I please. They cooperated with other churches to organize big events in FYI, t-shirts are not sold at Judys or Ricks place. All I know is the Pentecostal church as undergone some big changes since I first began and none of them are helping people learn bible Scripture or to understand verses in context. We Christians moan about a lot of ungodly areas of our lives whether in the media, schools, business etc. the church. Chic-fil-a sauce, Wendys sauce, McDonalds special Big Mac sauce. Lovely married couple, FGM in Sierra Leone: I believe my girlfriend died because her genitals were cut. Mike bickle said that prophets were operating at at 70-80% accuracy rate? Now, I am back in a Pentecostal type church. A born evangelist with a true shepherds heart. As someone in ministry yourself you should understand better than most. But one legacy of the movement is confusion and mushy thinking. God used this time to begin opening my eyes to the truth. I wanted to experience the supernatural aspects that the charismatic / Pentecostal movement was known Maybe next time I would get it right. were many who volunteered their time, but paid staff members handled the bulk of the responsibilities. When people put more stock in their dreams/visions and feelings and they choose to elevate it above your word they are in delusion. I am older and wiser. I am writing this blog in hopes that if you stumble upon it that it will be a source of great comfort to you. I do not say these things out of pride or self ambition but I am truly DETERMINED to live my life for Him no matter what others do or dont do. It will lead you astray faster than you can blink your eyes! In Acts the believers were connected to eachother. "close encounter" with God. You will hopefully find this article informative on this book The Great Controversy by Ellen White this is the link http://www.takeheed.info/pdf/March-2014/The-Great-Controversy.pdf, Im not an Adventist although I know decent people who are. wonder if I was backslidden, but my choices were limited: stay away and risk being labeled apostate, I find that so laughable now to look at people who are expressional during worship as a definitive sign that God is moving. That is not the same as the apostolic gift of healing. Take time to heal and be kind to yourself. So I always preach expositionally just like Dallas Theological Seminary taught me too. This dude led a whole bunch of people astray which hurt many. Hands raised utterly disconnected from God. Everything was done with excellence and professionalism. They seemed so solid, so convinced, absolutely unshakeable. Im fully awake. and it will lead you into much folly. It takes a while to shake off the guilt and conditioning of attending church every Sunday. You have to test everything, use discernment and wisdom. Thankfully, that's a promise I didn't They are irrefutable to the believer. The irony is that my journey took me in the opposite direction. If you're not blessed, not protected, or not Thanks for sharing your story and I look forward to reading more of your posts in the future. When I read that it was like I saw it for the first time, I mean truly understood it. Mostly. Even the supernatural aspects had lost But we are told to be in the world but not of it , that if we crave the things the world offers, we do not love God . warm fuzzies. Brother Dave, Services, classes or other Thank you for sharing. Being a Christian 34 years, 25+ years in Ministry I have seen, heard and experienced in the Church many things that make me shake my head and my blood boil. so much back there wasn't God at all. Ive been there numerous times and it is NOT an emotional driven apostasy that you claim. My biggest concern is that christians can quote writers or preachers better than Gods Word why? This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Cheryl is this question for me or the lady who wrote this article? The reason some people leave Pentecostal churches isnt because of Pentecostalism but because of Christianity in general. Oh yes, we must have been in the same service because I heard all that nonsense as well. Obvious lie according to scripture. Seek out people who will be a support system until you can get stronger; Until their words have no influence over you. In that moment I said God Im singing these words to you but I dont mean it; help me to mean it And he did. We believe God can heal and/or fill us with his spirit and because we long for it, we want so eagerly to believe what we see. May you all be blessed and may your relationship with the Lord grow daily. was some cosmic game show host saying, "Sorry, that is correct but you didn't answer in the form of a Wolves kill sheep and we must contend for the faith. Delusion happens when we elevate those experiences above the word of God. ways to leave my church: in a conflict or in a coffin. God is much wider than one answer or one option, in my opinion we fool ourselves if we think our option is the only correct one. - Does God still heal? why is my tiktok sound delayed iphone; is lena from lisa and lena lgbtq; charleston county school district staff directory; Payroll Services. Its strong delusion and it will only become MORE apostate and MORE evident. Christ is coming, be in His work! Your word is TRUTH God. WebLeaving an unhealthy church. It was like scales fell off my eyes and I was free. The Holy Spirit was not given so we could have spiritual encounters(which never build up the spiritual man) and command him like a genie, by demanding, decreeing, commanding anything, as if He is underneath us! The pastors were friendly and easy going. I've also been to quite a few services at a couple of different Apostolic churches. God bless! WebI am an ex-member who walked away about 3 years ago, after four years of membership in the United Pentecostal Church International (UPCI). There wasn't the same sort of "exclusive club" feeling. There is an hour of worship, people are prayed over after the service, healed, (maybe?) I've been a member of this church all of my life. I learned to speak with confidence and passion in areas where I Today the seeking of Gods Presence, a word, a special anointing, has been replaced by rightly knowing Gods word and simply obeying it. They like use the Acts verse/s about when the disciples were all filled with the Holy Spirit and then they all spoke in tongues. It was an awkward departure. I would describe the modern church as apostate and I have left the harlot church system in my rear Three years ago I went to a revival in a church and, for the first time ever queued to get in. I have only been out 9 months and I still feel anger. They may leave out repetitive "hallelujahs,' "we worship you Lord" and/or "praise God almighty" and then save the Amen until the end of their prayer. She had a new revelation which trumped the Bible. It felt like the kind of church that was much more in tune with God and a relational experience instead of just going through the actions. We learned then that most churches were going further and further from Gods written word. The movement has morphed into something unrecognizable from what it was years ago. I'm sure that my friends As a Minister, it infuriates me that Pastors do not use discernment and that some allow things that are not of God in the Church. Talking correctly was More and more the speaking in tongues seemed fake. Relationship with God was not the idea there. Some pentecostals in Bangalore decline to join open protests against the legislation and instead organize special prayer sessions, later claiming that the bill failed because of divine intervention (Bergunder forthcoming). Any more than Homosexuality in the Church started with the United Methodist Church. Ive also heard prophesies about a tsunami flooding the east coast and all of Florida. 5:21: But examine everything carefully, hold fast to what is good. We have decided to leave our current church as it has too many ties to Bethel, Sozo, & other things that do not pass the above litmus test. It was obvious. Not minimizing real Church hurt as I have had much of it but its best to let God heal our hearts and make sure we are walking right and loving others as we would want them to love us. We made sacrifices for the good of the church. Sadly many live like Romans 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes. From here I ventured to Pennsylvania for a couple days to stay with another couple who had previously left our church and whose present church had dropped out of the This focused intense seeking of the Lord brought me into a "relationship" with the Father that I'd never experienced before. It was top notch. thank you so much. ABBA IS CALLING US OUT OF BABYLONHIS TRUE REMNANTreturning to HIS WAYS, HIS INSTRUCTIONS(TORAH), HIS FEASTS, HIS SHABBAT. came back, so did the feeling of complete rejection and failure. I was listening to Bethel worship, Hill songs, all the cutting edge worship. God led me out of the movement and today I am free! This only means something to people old enough to remember the time before digital cameras, when you took a roll of film and had to have it developed into photographs. False prophecy is rampant in these circles. I received the Holy Ghost in March and got baptized in Jesus' name in May of 2011. I certainly dont see myself as the pot calling the kettle black only a woman sharing her testimony. Im not sure if I meant to post under your specific comment. For any and all who have left the United Pentecostal Church. Many in the congregation go to and from Bethel. A Serious Question for Black Americans (esp. to a lack of maturity. So the problem is not a movement but people who are either not saved, or they are deceived or sin abounds letting junk in. It is inerrant, sufficient, sharper than any two-edged sword even dividing between joint and marrow. I feel so duped not sure what our next chapter is going to bring. I am happy for you and He will keep through everything. Only the blood of Jesus Christ saves. I began to see what seemed like little miracles every day. In fact they generally condemn everyone who disagrees with them. To encourage each other and pray for each other. They were engaged within a month and within two months had broken off their engagement because God apparently spoke to her again and told her No . I love Justin peters and John MacArthur It really helped me. When I held up the teachings of the Bible to their teachings it simply could not stand. I Its so devastating. But He did not say you all of you are apostate and lost and going to Hell. Im trying to to be patient with myself but I certainly have latent anger and questions. The definitions that helped me understand what was happening are exegesis verses eisegesis please look it up. Ultimately, I accepted a new job in another state and left I have also been to Judy Jacobs church, have been to Israel with her, her husband and Perry Stone and have never witnessed anything other than Biblical teaching from any of them. I stormed out and have never been back. They looked at me like I justkicked a newborn baby off a bridge?! Whatever pain I had And shame on them for not doing so. I, too, have been delivered out of charismania, where almost every week wed hear how revival was about to break out across America; where there would be times the preacher would say You wont need your Bible tonight!; where people would literally fall on each other; where Id hear contradictory prophecies; where wed read ourselves into Old Covenant Israel; where any critical examination was met with touch not the Lords anointed; and where everything depended on how you feel. Leave Egypt, leave the baggage and go into the desert. Slaughter is a bad doctor, therefore ALL doctors are bad. God bless. In reading, studying, praying, and using 1 John 4 as a litmus test, Gods word (imagine that) gave me clarity and hope in a frustrating situation. Psalm 19:14 NKJV. easier to commit even more time and resources to the group. 1. Its a cult, mixing faith and law to keep you saved. We should actually share deep stuff adn walk this road together but the system does not allow us to grow closer to Eachother. Making my way up a second time and the same thing happened again! If it had been left to me Id have given up after a day or so. The messages were much shorter and more practical than what I heard before. I think of St Pauls writings about spiritual milk and solid food. I just cant believe this is God. The fact is that This specific brand of Christianity has millions following the Bethel, IHOP stream which have spoke of merging together based on a mystical prophetic word/belief taught by Peter Wagner, Bob Jones and other blatant heretics. Like me, I am sure you have seen excesses in church and the challenge is, well, to challenge those excesses. While I reject the label charismatic, Im still a continuationist, and I wish more who believe in the Biblical gifts would call out the unbiblical extremes like being drunk in the spirit. You are using an out of date browser. Web89 views, 6 likes, 2 loves, 15 comments, 1 shares, Facebook Watch Videos from DD Memorial Baptist Church: DD Memorial Baptist Church was live. Last week, my wife & I attended a Bethel healing conference I did not make it through the entire 3 days. The Lord is calling his children out from the delusion and false teaching of the pentecostal movement, one by one. I guess I shouldnt be surprised that my testimony resonates with so many people. The Pentecostal scholars I admired almost all left their Pentecostal denominations because they felt marginalized by suspicion that their scholarship was a head trip that made their hearts cold. Wilkersons students didnt have ministry degrees and were former drug abusers. also wondered about "prophetic words" that seemed to contradict eachother and even contradict the What do we expect? I loved it. When prophesies and words of knowledge didnt come to pass, it was blamed on some great sin in our family. There is no Scriptural reference to any New Testament employment in the Gospel. Thank you for sharing yours and please post it to your Facebook as well. My theology is Classic Pentecostal (AOG) which holds to the Essential Teachings of the Historic Christian Faith. coming. The charismatic movement of the past quarter-century has made an impact on the church unparalleled in history. Satan seems to be able to infiltrate our dreams at times. Love is a scarce commodity to find in churches and Ive sat in them for 21 years.scarce.Youare considered judgmental, divisive and condemned for stirring up dissension among the brethren which is them taking scripture completely out of context to stay unaccountable, complacent and feeling good about their extreme idol worship. These special meetings stretched into the small hours of the morning. They claim you are speaking out against the Lords anointed. The other thing is EVERYONE has the gift of prophecy? God help us and anoint us with His Holy Spirit to make a difference for the Kingdom and in this world. I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here lol. everything was OK. As I sat in church all these years I couldnt help but become bored with hours of worship, music, lights, TV cameras and pure emotional hype. I guess that meant we were really reaching the world with the gospel, I mean we were televised, right? The worship leader is always pushing you or manipulating the crowd to be more expressive but it seemed so contrived like the more exuberant the crowd was the more validated the worship leader felt in doing Gods work. Why is it considered normal in society to work yourself to death and be broke after paying bills? that is my understanding of the word. No condemnation. Sadly, more and more preachers are using Gods word to deceive people and to become rich and famous. Romans 3:20-22 KJV I currently attend these services and have never seen such a loving group of people that are determined to adhere to bible principles and demonstrate true brotherly love as God instructs. ABBA FATHER has led me back to HIS COMPLETE WORD. Shortly after, 2 more people left. Thats my journey for now. The final straw for me, and the reason I finally left my church of 25 years, was due to the lying and deceptive nature of the pastor. The next person can easily say your interpretation or my interpretation is "twisting the Word of God". We must be RESTORED to Gods Intelligent Design for the form and function of the Body of Christ. That should give you a clear view of the people I was running with. There was something happening literally every night of the week. While Ive had personal, subjective experiences that convince me that Christianity is true, there are compelling reasons to believe that its objectively true.When I first began to investigate the claims of Christianity, I compared it to some of the most Meet Murphy the broody eagle, who tried to hatch a rock and then miraculously became a dad! I begrudgingly turned round. This is the beginning of a wonderful journey. I dont need to move to a foreign country as a missionary to be mightily used of God or stand behind a pulpit. I was so happy to read your message! Sometimes HE is hidden even within the church, but a heart that truly desires TRUTH and real intimacy with the Spirit will find it just as you have because God has said so! I got shoved out of the way by burly prayer ushers who were sullen and rude. more mainstream Pentecostal church. missing it so I could "fix" whatever it was and live in His blessing again. I never said we should not contend for the Faith nor do I refrain from exposing and rebuking error and sin when needed. What did love have to do with rewarding people for doing something correctly? God bless you for writing your testimony. I feel John MacArthurs point of view is more biblically accurate and very on point about this movement. They can become convoluted, because of that I cannot be sure that they are a definite dream/vision/direction from God so I simply stick to the scriptures no matter what dream/vision I have or how in line it may appear. I stated that my contention is with churches or denominations that place external manifestations ABOVE Gods word. sin in your life. I was raised in the Apostolic Church also. (LogOut/ (scripture alone) That was a hard lesson I learned this year. David Wilkerson left the Assemblies of God because their requirements for ordination were too strict. Pentecostal and charismatic without many of the abuses that often come with it. We must REPENT for turning Gods people into a business opportunity. Besides, I was serving in the This is the conditioning that goes on in the charismatic/Pentecostal church. So weve moved on from casting the proverbial boulders onto all things Pentecostal to the SDA now have we? Get into His Word. And trust me I have had my share. He didnt put them in people. The deception runs deep and is becoming alarmingly subtle. I loved my friends but my heart was far from God. Timya Robinson started her career as a street cop. It is important never to throw out the baby with the bathwater. He knows best, He knows where He wants to use you. Your story is more common than you know. There is much Bible illiteracy here. It would resonate w/ a lot of people trapped in that confusion. What about Saul of Tarsus on the way to Damascus? Praise God. My life has been a series of interesting twists that will hopefully benefit someone out in the ether. We must always conform are teachings and experiences to the Word and not conform the Word to our teachings and experiences.
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