yep and ill just run down to the local gun store and pick me up a box of 7.6245. In 2018, Bill Wilson of Wilson Combat announced the .300 Hamr to match or better .30-30 Winchester performance in an AR magazine-length round. Not a long range round but Im getting too old for long range stuff anyways. hell even a damn SCAR is cheaper than this thing! The result is a 350 Legend that neither shoots flat, nor does it kill like a 30-30, or 357 Magnum using flat nose soft points, or a 44 Magnum using flat nose soft points. @ $29 a hundred & $250 for barrel WOW THATS NOT HIGH , LOOK @ 6ARC BRASS OR GRENDEL BRASS + BARREL!!!!! A lot of folks, like me, have used the ballistics of the .30-30 to justify hunting with the 300 Blackout or the 7.6239. I love the round. I had barely gotten into the blind and hadnt even closed the door behind me before the pigs I heard in the woods came out, pushing at and racing each other to get to the deer feeder. My furthest runner went 70 yds. Hes developed an accurate cartridge for the AR15 that equals or exceeds the ballistics of one of the most proven cartridges ever used in North America. The .300 HAM'R will inevitably be compared to the .300 Blackout (BLK), but there is a huge difference between the two. since that is impossible a 30 caliber bullet doesnt fit in a 22 caliber hole 130gr Speer HP #2005 (inexpensive and super accurate) | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Should You Carry Your Gun With an Empty Chamber? God bless Texas, I love this place, BUTit appears these photos were taken in Australia. But. Bill's goal was to approach .308 Winchester levels on a round that's compatible within standard AR-15 architecture. I could hear boars fighting and squealing in the brush even before I got to the blind. Threaded Muzzle (5/824) with Thread Protector And most shots are way closer than that. $3650. does any of this sound familiar?? This is the stripped-down, lightweight hunting rig that Bill keeps strapped to his Kawasaki Mule or in his vehicle when hes around the ranch for hog eradication. And if you are a fan of the 30 cal. Wilson Combat's Tactical Hunter Rifle - Performance. When it comes to a comparison between the 300 Blackout and the 300 Hamr, there really isnt one. They shoot 1moa at 100yds 2200fps with 25.5gr CFE Black @ 2.26" COAL SD 6. Even uppers alone are $1200+. It essentially duplicates the external ballistics of the .30-30 Winchester, which makes it suitable for most of the big game on the planet at least at modest ranges. I like to think that shooters as a whole are more hip to things like ballistics now, but youll still hear from some that nothing but .300WM will kill an elk, and that it shoots flat as a laser. CCI450 It is a loser at everything, a winner at nothing. Accuracy has been great. Lovers will love and Haters are going to hate. The .300 Ham'r has noticeable velocity and energy advantages over factory .300 Blackout rounds at the muzzle. the round has been standardized and Starline makes the casing for it so you can max the loads listed by WC . NOTE: The 300 HAMR is designed to use 110-150gr bullets at supersonic velocity and is NOT suitable for heavy bullet sub-sonic use. Wilson Combat has achieved what many before them have tried. Mule Deer in the Midwest. 2260FPS Thats a real difference. DZ, very interesting information. Like many AR triggers, it has a two-stage pull, but the take-up is very light and short, and the trigger on the test rifle broke extremely crisply at an average of 3 pounds, 11 ounces as measured with a Timney trigger scale. We had steel every 100 yards, and two benches as well as prone positions to shoot from. not a similar rifle that uses different ammo in the same magazines that can blow up your M4 if loaded into it. At the time I had been hunting feral pigs since 1989 in California, Missouri and other parts of Texas. Here's the comparison to the different rounds in the realm of the normal AR pattern and what you can expect to get from the .300 Ham'r: .300 HAM'R: 110 grain weight; ~2600 fps velocity; ~1650 ft. lbs. However, Wilson Combat offers 17 loads for the HAMR and since the cartridge was recently approved by SAMMI (Sporting Arms and Ammunition Institute) South Ballistic Research (SBR) now offers two .300 HAMR loads. The 300 HAM'R was developed with one thing in mind, OPTIMAL TERMINAL PERFORMANCE. The 300 Hamr rounds were moving an average of 248fps faster. I was showing my Uncle my 6.8 build and he was telling me about a 300 Ham'r. It offers near .308 Winchester effectiveness on game animals with amazing accuracy and low recoil in the lightweight and compact WC15 platform. Then, in 2008, Remington came out with the .30 Rem. The recommendation for a broadside shot is 1,200ft/lbs delivered, which limits you to close range only. America's Ultimate Shooting Sports Discounter, Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pinterest (Opens in new window). The bullet passed completely through and wasn't recovered. Start load: 23.8gr H CFEBLK This is partly because other AR-15 cartridges use smaller and lighter bullets that lack the mass to deal with intermediate barriers. If you ever wanted to own Bill Wilson's the Bill Wilson of Wilson Combat, that is favorite hunting cartridge . I own blackout(2 in fact14.5 & 16) 6.8spc, two 5.56 a 14.5 & 18& a 6.5 grendel & even a smith & Wesson 5.4539 uppers. Same weight bullets out of the same length barrelnot even close. The 150gr SST bullet punched right though the 250lb boars spine and kept on going. You can hot rod the round a little but it's not as big a difference as some will lead you to believe unless you are talking about a bolt action where you can load out longer than AR mag length. Given how thick the brush was, and the fact that night was coming on, even if the pig only ran 30 yards, hed be hard to find and really hard to recover. Picking and choosing, but since hunting was mentioned. AS YOU CAN SEE THE 300 HAM'R HAS A SOLID 300FPS VELOCITY AND A 400FP ENERGY ADVANTAGE OVER FACTORY 300 BLACKOUT AT THE MUZZLE." "300 HAM'R vs 7.6239 BALLISTIC COMPARISON 300 HAM'R 16.25" Barrel Sierra 125gr SBT 2520FPS MV, 1763FP ME Hornady 150gr SST 2240FPS MV, 1671FP ME 7.6239 16.25" Barrel Remington 125gr Cor-Lokt 2365FPS MV, 1552FP ME It was designed for killing/hunting with energy equal to 30-30 in an AR. You are using an out of date browser. Start load: 25.5gr A1680 or 26.0gr H CFEBLK Sierra PH round with a velocity of 2540 fps (18" barrel). Maybe they can sell them to all the well to do liberals leaving California, tired of writing this!!! I should first acknowledge my mentors and colleagues from Hacettepe University, where I was working at the time of the initial research: Bahaeddin They gave me great support throughout the research and contributed in different ways to the first draft of the text; I am most . And while were on the subject, what happens if I mistakenly load a mag of these into my .300 Blk? I was able to consistently ring the eight-inch plate at 400 yards with the Bill Wilson Ranch Rifle from a few different positions. The .300BO go to hunting bullet (IMO, much of this is opinion, as are all caliber discussions) for supersonic is the 110gr Barnes, especially if you want to be able to reach out beyond 50yds. I see no benefit over the .300 if sticking with 110s (and subs I suppose), but if you want to shoot 130s, the performance is definitely better. There are eight loads of 300 Hamr ammunition currently available from Wilson Combat, and more will soon be offered by HSM ammunition. MSRP: $3,650. We have killed deer out to 150 yards without any problems. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Trijicon Accupoint 3-940 Green Dot Riflescope Mounted and Zeroed The SCAR17 in 308 is even more money, and weighs 2 pounds more. Round Threaded Match Grade Barrel with Circle WC Ranch Logo The Hamr shows better performance with the 110, and realistically, ANY improvement in FPS is a benefit when talking fairly mundane muzzle velocities. The AR is relatively light, quick to shoulder, has a high capacity, shoots pointy bullets, and options abound for doodads and whiz-bangs. The first legitimate attempt at this was the 6.8 SPC. Of course, bullet flight path and behavior are also all bumped up along with the extra power. But only when were talking supersonic ammunition. But, its best to get magazines engineered for 300 Blackout. I was able to snag 18lbs of CFE Blk last week from Powder Valley, and that should be enough for ~5k rounds. This is the shoulder of a boar weighing 300lbs, shot by another hunter using the Speer 130gr FNHC, at about 100 yards away. Are these the new magnetic rounds as shown in pic. Last fall proved the cartridges high performance on Tennessee whitetail deer. Full Member. of energy, compared to the Hornady Black 110-grain V-Max at 2,395 fps MV and 1,401 ft-lbs. If I had to have an AR for hunting medium to large game it would be an AR-10 in .308W. 30-06, .300WM, poor shot placement or miss, that animal isnt done. P.S. Im going to have to stick with my Marlin levergun for the foreseeable future. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. It was designed to be a replacement for a sub gun. 300 hamr check. Ability to use the same bolt carrier group as the 223 Remington/5.56x45mm and the 300 Blackout creates a level of versatility unmatched. The results were, at least on paper, very impressive. The result was the .300 HAMR, which is a modified .223 Remington case necked up to .30-caliber. Despite the effectiveness of the 6.8 SPC, however, he eventually believed larger-caliber, heavier bullets would work better on big boars, and eventually ended up stretching the .300 Blackout case about .23 inch. Law enforcement should have this one for hostage situations. It was originally called the .30-30AR. Survival AR-7 Rifle, Gun Review: Blaser R8 Ultimate Carbon Hunting Rifle, http://cpw.state.co.us/learn/pages/ehu-ch2-l09.aspx, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30_Remington, https://www.cabelas.com/product/FN-SCAR-SEMI-AUTO-RIFLES/2141219.uts. The parent case is .223 Remingtion necked up to accpet a .30-caliber bullet. Still, that load would generate almost 700ft/lbs of energy at that range. Because its not the same cartridge. 300 Blackout magazines work perfectly. Im still wrapping my head around real mountain elk hunting with an AR-15. Stuffing typical spitzers into a 300 HAMR will heavily limit the terminal effect and make it far less than the 30-30. Different parent case and entirely different dimensions. 300 HAMR is a new proprietary round from Bill Wilson of Wilson Combat. It made some waves and still has a following, but, with apologies to Jim Morrison, it just couldnt break on through to the other side. However, about 10 years later another cartridge did. Oddly enough, if you reload, the 300 Hamr is actually cheaper than the 7.62X39, because reloadable 5.56 brass is cheaper than 7.62X39 brass, and .308 bullets are slightly cheaper than .310/.311 bullets. But the priceyikes. All of them are worthy of shooting. I killed a large doe and several hogs with it this past week. Anyone who has been playing with handloading for 20+ years can see that the Hamr in 30 caliber has a huge advantage. MSRP: $3,650 Now thats where you lost me. I assume that you either need a new 300 HAMR barrel or the chamber of your existing 300 Blackout needs to be reamed to the new profile. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. JavaScript is disabled. Hell, Ive been paying them for about 15 years now. Wilson Combat has always prided itself on accurate weapons, and I know from previous conversations that Bill is, in his words, uninterested in inaccurate guns. Already knowing the 300 Hamr is powerful, it was time to see what groups it could produce at distance, so we spent an afternoon on the 1,200 yard range. The information provided here does not represent the views of Cheaper Than Dirt! WC 300 HAMR case Range Report: How Good Is the Smith and Wesson M&P FPC 9mm Folding Carbine? The bottom shot was a fouler after cleaning the bore. Pick one and enjoy. How does this compare to the 350 legend? I run a suppressed 24 6.5 Grendel for longer range nighttime pig fun. 110gr Barnes TSX #30835 Sighted-in 1.5 inches high at 100 yards, the bullet lands 1.5 inches below point of aim at 200, and 6 inches down at 250. Do not exceed the highest velocity listed for any load and do not substitute any other component for those listed. Some might think this is a good thing, and terminally, it is, but if you plan to eat your meat or feed it to your kids .300blk will do just fine inside 150 while preserving more meat and not leaving tunnels of sharp chunks most of the time. I load the Ham'R with 125 NoslerBT. Nothing satisfied him, so being the industrious fellow he is, Bill decided to create his own. #A300HMR-110-HPV, 110gr Lehigh Controlled Chaos . I read somewhere Mr Wilson kind of foo-food on that bullet and its length. The factory 7.6239 in the same barrel length and bullet weight (Winchester 150-grain Razorback XT) develops 2,056 fps and 1,408 ft-lbs. Thats from a lightweight semi-auto AR-15. I love this round! Both have merits. so, they came up with the 7.62X45. And forget deer, east of the Mississippi its probably taken more moose than any other cart ridge. Although Ive found Wilson Combats guns to be worth every penny, they do cost more than a few pennies. Havent seen one in years. I put far more emphasis on shot placement than energy. Start load: 23.6gr H CFEBLK However, the other two bullets also performed very well, as I expected after field experience with both. Bills East Texas ranch is usually packed full of hogs, and a few of them are worthy of putting the round to the test. For reliability, no little bit of the bullet should touch that ridge, and there are some improved designs that incorporate changes in this area. I also have AKs and an AR that fire 7.62X39. Bill took his 45 bull later that afternoon . . I have used my 16.25 (barrel swap in a DD V7) on 3 deer and was picking out petals for about half an hour. You tried to claim that the 300 exceeded the 30-30 and I just dont find that to be the case. The main difference between these two cartridges is the way they handle bullet weights. Much patient (and creative) experimentation refined that round into the 300 HAMR, and its now been SAAMI-certified and can be had as a complete package (for buyers or builders). For most of them, the answer was no. Accuracy is flat out amazing. It sounds great, I cant wait. Maybe we can convince the Russians to adopt it so it becomes cheap and plentiful. Those HPs and FMJs make really shitty hunting rounds. I hope to get the rifle in for more precise accuracy measurements at a later date. The real question is not which is the best cartridge, but which is the best cartridge for you. There are no visible tool marks inside or outside of the gun. One of them never made it. (Wilson Combat recently introduced a new magazine that will work with the 5.56, the Blackout, and the HAMR.) I still like my 6.8, 30-30 with 170 grain bullets and my 35 Remington in lever and pumps. Velocities were recorded using a Wilson Combat 18 barrel with Labradar in 90-100 degree temperature. Still nothing is wrong with having lots of choices. Reliability * * * * * Max load: 27.5gr A1680 or 28gr H CFEBLK Small case capacity with large diameter bullets is not going to equal great downrange performance. The AR-10 is a second rate assault rifle compared to a 5.56mm M4 due its increased weight and recoil. Now for, deer, pigs, or black bear, thats a very different story. 2280FPS Does The 6mm Creedmoor Super Sniper Hit The Mark? Lancer, Magpul, and D&H Tactical all make 300BLK magazines. The .300 HAM'R is to the .300 BLK what the .300 Winchester Magnum is to the .308 Winchester. of energy. WC 300 HAMR case Currently, ammo, brass and dies are available from Wilson Combat. Can a reamer for this purpose be purchased? With the .300 Blackout, which was designed to fire both super and subsonic ammunition, the twist rate is a compromise. and i did it well. I just finished putting my 300 Ham'R SBR upper together and making some brass. If you look at Barnes data for the 300BO, which is on their site, for free, 2400+FPS is possible with the 110 and a 16 barrel.
