I saw no date on the pommel nut. It is knives like these that make some people on the outside question why Case knives are so expensive when they are just a great value for their money. Posted June 7, 2020. The handle was stacked leather, generally grooved. Synthetic Staglon have no cracks or chips. The lower leg/quillon was marked on the front with a capital M in a circle over the number 4. The new design M3 weighed 9 ounces finished. The tang stamp shown here is known as Camillus' three line straight stamp. At the end of the First World War, the M1917 and M1918 were decommissioned. We place the WW II era I would like to know what military branch this knife is and estimated year of manufacturer. Heres another variant knife that Frank Trzaska mentions in his 6/01/2002 knife knotes. by Wayne Goddard pins marked Kent, As above with different tang markings, still a Kent. While some are very rare, such as the L-76, L-77, "Bushman" and USMC parachutist knives, several examples are more ubiquitous. On the blade and guard -> Manufacturer's name + Type ex : PAL USM3. If you check the pommel (end of the handle) under magnification, you may see a year stamp. Western made two: one with a 6-inch blade, the G46-6, and one with a 5-inch blade, the G46-5. It had knife contracts with Sears Roebuck & Co., Shapleigh Hardware, Simmons Hardware and Woolworth. The Japanese sword names and specificities, The German helmets from 1935 to 1945 (WW2), Guide of theM1884-98 III Bayonet aka "K98 bayonet". Like the stamp shown directly above this one, you have to be careful as it is very similar to a few others. Barwood) at 29,000 copies, Moose co. (Moose River Shoe.) If I am honest, theyre not the only ones to make this mistake. Camillus did use up the rather small quantity of 1966 blades when the change was made. Add to Cart. Dustin- Great information! If the Marines had a Para knife has the Mark 2 pommel not the M3 version. Above we feature the Camillus USMC reproduction. It's easy! On the blade -> Manufacturer's name + Type + Year of manufacture ex: PAL USM3 1943, 2nd Type marking (End of 1943) : 5684 L77A: Camillus tried to talk Naval Ordnance into using The tang stamp shown here is known as Camillus' three line arch stamp. That doesn't make it right, it just makes it how they were found from poor It arrived in 1943 as the 'US M3 Trench Knife'. All of these make the recipe for a truly great knife that deserves our attention. Another Founded in 2019, Militaria-Deal.com has established itself as the go-to site for militaria collectors. These had 6 inch blades and screwed-on pommels. Not Adopted, Case and Catt got the Q knife by DTM1973 Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:33 am, Post inch Mark 2 with a M3 pommel. Since the manufacturers maintained it themselves, its a reasonably accurate way to tell the era that a knife came from. If you are interested in the Camillus M4 Here is an image of my fullered 5 inch blade next to the saber ground blade knife. qualified technician to remove the surface rust and dirt on them. The Camillus Cutlery Company was one of the oldest knife manufacturers in the United States as its roots date back to 1876. Camillus was also notorious for sometimes mixing up the tang stamps. Knife Center.com has them in stock. As a result, the new knifes handle was saturated with deterrent. The blade not adopted had a flat blade with plastic Resinox pommel. I believe these are commonly known as a PSK (Pilot Survival Knife). The tang stamp shown here is known as Camillus' four line stamp. knife with Rosewood plain grips and brass pins. I believe this stamp to have been used on knives manufactured from 1916 to the early 1930s. Thank you very much. Here is a very nice hardlyused if at all, vintage 1979 Camillus U.S.A. made military issue Multi-Tool 4 blade survival knife with the following tools, knife blade with the original Vintage Camillus, New York (Heavy Duty, not cheap novilty quality, but real good quality) 2 Blade Large Cigar Knife (CM8005) TANG STAMPS: CAMILLUS NEW YORK USA 89 . Thank you everyone who helped me on this post. I assume my knife has the 6in blade though it measures 5 3/4. It was officially known as the G46. Hope this information and photos helps . FYI, in case your interested, the Government specification sheath for this knife is still available. Sweeping grind. Camillus was on contract to make Buck knives from 1968 after Schrade stopped making them. Each contractor had their personal signatures, better described as authorized deviations. An unmarked prototype hunter with Stagged Rosewood and We can go down the list for all the contractors. Stagged Rosewood, CR guard Made for Sears & Roebucks. About as plain as you can get, this is a prototype paring Handles generally were stacked leathersome with fiber spacers, some without. This knife looks a lot Knife collectors and dealers should still have those catalogs if you can find them. Yes it is WW2 period. Add to Favorites Vintage Kamp-King Pocket Utility Knife Imperial Prov RI USA Scout Camping . Some military knivesnot just the 225Qwere stamped very lightly, while others were deeply stamped. From the picture you can see that the length of the hilts are different. Your dad's pilots survival knife looks like it's in excellent condition. eBay. Similar blades were made for the Government by Case, Marbles, Kinfolks and others. I have never seen that variation. Second, procurements came first before the acceptance of the Mark 1 drawings. Thick blade and two piece rivets were replaced with a thinner blade and solid spun rivets for the military. Very little use and hardly any honing, most of the original phosphate coating on the blade is intact. Camillus wanted to send the knife with a hack saw blade attached to The original design of this 5" blade is, I believe, a pre-war Marbles design which was known as the "Ideal", a #45. Cold Steel Kobun Tactical Knife Olive Drab Handle. companies to design the Para knife. The pommel screw in the middle looks to be steel, but nut is brass. the M3 and the M4 reproductions. These sheaths are in a very different style from the small file transitional Camillus WW2 pilots knife.jpg. rivets. The Camillus factory drawing for the fullered blade knife identifies it as "Our # 5679 L 36 Hunting Knife with Mosser sheath." December 15, 2017 in EDGED WEAPONS. and the empty draws. 3-line; non-italic fonts; short underline, 3-line; non-italic, full underline; no dots (USA., not U.S.A.), 3-line stamp; full underline; dotted U.S.A.; italics. Knife #1 and #2 were never found in the factory collection years ago, this The fun thing is that you also date the scabbards. that when Camillus got the bid for the Jet Pilot Knife Marbles made a deal While somewhat similar the fullered blade knives are a distinct model and are most often associated with the USAAF, not the Navy. There are a significant number of different varietiessome historians say as many as 42. It all ended for the original Camillus on February 2007. Ka-Bar (/ k e. repro has a very short and sharply curved false edge. Can't tell if it is 12314 or 1214. The handle was stacked leather with a series of cut grooves. This is a nice lightly used High Carbon Steel scout/utility knife. One is the "Shark.". Your email address will not be published. Below you will find examples & a bit of information about some of the more notable stamps used by Camillus to mark its knives. This tang stamp was used by Camillus from 1946 to 1950. Also, there are no dots between USA. brass pins holding stagged bone over black plastic liners. The smaller Sharks were issued to Navy and Army Air Corps pilots as a bailout knife. if it was in Vietnam it must have been with some other folks not the US This exact knife is pictured on page 103 of Mike Silvey's WWII Book.. . Sent to the Jeffersonville Quartermaster, it is essentially a 6 For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Camillus, Colonial, Geneva Forge, Pal, Robeson, KA-BAR, Boker and Kinfolks made them. A metal tip was added. The contracts were 1942, & 1943. The only way to stay in the knife business and keep running a profit was to start making and selling them domestically. According to Frank Trzaska, a military knife historian, the decision to design the M3 rather than continuing to produce the Mark 2 was based on a U.S. steel shortage. Now, contractors didn't just immediately stop what they were doing and make the transition, they continued with the existing product before the transition. It is said to have been used on knives manufactured from the early 1930s to the mid 1940s. The guard is double quillons, one of which is bent forward to allow thumb rest . The one on the left there is a bevel at the top of the grip. S-6708 RW marked Guardless fish knife stamped Krome Plate, Frank explained that Camillus made 4 versions of this blade, 3 of which were adopted by the military. The washers are delimited by the guard on one side and the pommel washer on the other. The M3 was selected because it was easier to manufacture and had a thinner blade, which was 6.75 inches and sharpened the full length, excluding the stamped tang area. In 1902, Adolph Kastor, a powerhouse of a leader, bought Camillus and the company grew quickly. Do you think your Camillus is older than your friends, but neither is sure? We find some manufactures where the pommel is pinned with two through nails. That stamp is different than the one used earlier. One of the nice things about this forum is having so many eyes available for looking. This is a "Standard Scout" made by Camillus. SEE PICS Made in USA knife (looks like a Camillus#21), 2 7/8" long Peanut pattern. quick. hunting knives from parts on hand. 5679 L36: WW II Army Air Corps knife. Imperial (Imperial Knife co.) --> 854 015 pieces, capt14k, Both have dark what I believe is blued blades. The WW II era knife has a long sweeping false edge while the current The large guard is nickel The blade not adopted had a flat blade with plastic Resinox pommel. The others that I've seen have the later arched tang stamp. The pommel is 6mm thick. Its manufacture although ephemeral began in March 1943 to finish in July 1944. Required fields are marked *. Thank you zzyzzogeton you are very helpful. by glennbad Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:44 am, Post A Kent marked with Indian Trail and large brass rivets, J-9 marked is another Kent prototype with domed steel This variation was the last Camillus made USMC marked version made in WW2. Like every other knife Ive dated, the Camillus knives are challenging in their way. This is what Camillus was thinking about at the end of the war, I have 2 Camillus Knives that are similar but different. Frank reports that Marbles was supplying the Ideal to the Government as early as 1934. scabbard marked with the Eagle, Globe and Anchor is a current reproduction Going into 1944, treatment of the blades became more prevalent in the manufacture. U.S. M8 A1 + Manufacturer's Name. The knives illustrated in Post #5 could had been fabricated in that transitional phase, or part of sample packs for the Navy salt spray tests, but just a theory. Sword Brand Stockman 78. Survivalists, Hunters, Military and more. Guard marked -> Manufacturer's name + Type ex: PAL USM3, 4th Type marking : If you have any of those knives, it wouldnt be out of place to salute it for its commendable service. The picture I posted is of a knife I had bid on in an auction, but did not win. The similarities to Mark I knives are obvious, but they were procured and manufactured under different contracts and specifications. Its total length is 292mm (11 5/8 inches). Adolph Kastor immigrated to the U.S.A. when he was 14 and worked in his uncles hardware company. The table below shows you different tang stamp designs and when they were circulated.Tang StampDescriptionYear/ Era3-line arch stamp1902-19154-line straight stamp with yearFeatures year of manufacture3-line straight stamp1916 the 1930s4-line straight stampThe 1930s mid-19453-line; non-italic fonts; short underline1946 19503-line; non-italic, full underline; no dots (USA., not U.S.A.)1960 the 1970s3-line stamp; full underline; dotted U.S.A.; italicsThe 1970s 1980s3-line stamp; dotted U.S.A.; mixed caps1989 2007Camillus Knife Tang Stamps and their Eras. It has a couple of chips out of the bone on the pile side and the tip is broken off the caplifter. The Case Kodiak is one of the most interesting exports from the company and continues to command a high price today. This tang stamp was used by Camillus from 1946 to 1950. Used but is solid. Just look at it and you would see the same thing. So your knife would have been made during that interval. Force survival kit knife. I've seen and/or handled eight bright finished examples besides the one I own and your pictures are the first examples of the parkerized ones. Camillus knives are one of my most favorites knives to date. The other contractors made the Mark 1 in their own convenient way but conform to the basic guidelines which were granted approval. But there are clever reproductions that can fool you into thinking its the real thing. Another Kent with stagged Rosewood, brass pins and etched. This sample made 1939. Throughout the Vietnam War, Camillus produced the GI four-blade utility knife, the pilot survival knife and the U.S. Marine Corps 7-inch . The re-launch occurred in 2009 with an introduction of a line of tactical knives imported from oversees. Wouldn't mind running across one of these to compare to my two examples. current model. Woolworths, S3388: When the Marines formed the ParaMarines they needed a Knives Australia - We sell high quality Military Knives, Camping Knives and Tactical Knives online Australia wide. 5665 J68: Unknown so far, unable to find the S card the Saturday, May 19, 2018, is Armed Forces Day. Knife has been used, carried, and resharpened and has loads of patina, but still has a lot of useful life left in it. Save my name and email to use for future comments. They did not adopt this knife, as we know the M3 was We can also see models with a brown plastic washer on the guard and a black plastic washer on the pommel. Any review of World War II military fixed blades must include several examples of Western knives. ONE CAMILLUS 1960 US Military Survival Pocket Knife . Sword Brand Folding Hunter 26 NIB, SYRACUSE KNIFE CO. TEXAS TOOTHPICK NICE END OF DAY CELLULOID 8 3/4" OVERALL, Vintage Camillus 2 Blade Large Cigar Knife w Riders of the Silver Screen Handles -Tonto -NOS, VINTAGE MCGREW ARKANSAS USA FOLDING POCKET TOOTHPICK SINGLE BLADE JACK KNIFE KNIVES OLD, VINTAGE 4 LINE CAMILLUS CUTLERY CO BONE EZ EASY OPEN JACK FOLDING POCKET KNIFE KNIVES OLD, VINTAGE CAMILLUS NEW YORK USA 42 EQUAL END CIGAR JACK FOLDING POCKET KNIFE KNIVES OLD, USN Mk2 Camillus NY 12" OAL Fighting Knife Phosphorus Coated Leather Sheath Marked USMC Pinned Butt, CAMILLUS NO. Its total length is 292mm (11 5/8 inches). apart. factory collection. This resulted in a long line of impressive, sturdy knives that have become vintage and collectors items today. This large, old(mid-70's), hard-to-find beauty is a large approximately 4 3/16" long when closed. Bone stag and CR guard made in the knife not a saw back. This camp knife has "High Carbon Steel" on the tang stamp. Yes the Vietnam War lasted until 1975 but the majority of US combat The M1918 mk1 is kept and distributed while stocks last. Unknown: Believed to be a special hunting knife made for Pilot's Survival Knife. After the war, Camillus soon shifted back to civilian cutlery, but they were now facing stiff competition from overseas companies. He started importing and selling German-made knives to his U.S. audience. and steel domed rivets but with a different grind from above. We have been told these knives were carried by various elite This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. In my estimation I would not include the Camillus 5 inch blades with fullers in a discussion about Navy Mark I knives. Never used or Vintage Camillus U.S.A. $50.00. The blade design is different then the A few members here have posted examples of that knife with the typical Camillus Mark 1 hilt and the fullered blade normally associated with the 5 inch pilots knife, but yes they don't show up too often. There is a mix of lower and uppercase letters; Short and curved false edge (as opposed to the long sweeping false edge of the WWII knife), Scabbards are marked with Eagle, Globe and Anchor. ULSTER TL-29 Pocket Knife Rosewood Handles Tool Lineman's . Hoping to try and date them but I am finding conflicting information. These bayonets are very similar to the originals so you need to check Camillus Manufactures a Quality Hunting Knife, Folding Knife & Fixed Blade Knife with a Lifetime Warranty. They are hard to find. I would classify them as USAAF knives. 5684: This is the WW II USMC blade marked knife in the The handle diameter was larger (1.2 inches wide) and had a pinned-on stepped pommel 1.35 inches wide. I believe youre more interested in dating the vintage ones, though, so the other era guides on that list are best suited to your needs. While some are very rare, such as the L-76, L-77, Bushman and USMC parachutist knives, several examples are more ubiquitous. Knives made by top companies were featured in catalogs that were either internally maintained or sent out to dealers and collectors. Sign up for a new account in our community. (see photos). There is a variation of a Parkerized blade Camillus MARK 1 with no branch of service markings, (Cole III, pg. by KLJ77 Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:27 pm, Post Editors note: The following is by Richard D. White. Show me your knife, and I'll tell you who you are. Camillus used different sized stamps on their MK1s, believe there were 3 distinct sizes. by Wayne Goddard Another part of the group has The Company produced millions of knives until it filed for bankruptcy in 2007. Camillus produced some 13 million knives for the US military during the war, which included the famous Marine Corps Raider Stiletto, M-3 Trench Knives, USMC Mark 2 and USN Mark 2 knives and TL-29 Signal Corps pocket knives, among many others. Examples are plentiful and often were photographed hanging from the belts of soldiers who fought in the South Pacific Islands. You will find many pictures of Camillus knife patterns. In New York City. The old Camillus went gone out of business due to poor sales, a workers strike and a lockoutand then the long-time knife manufacturer filed for bankruptcy. Its brand name and intellectual property rights were purchased by Acme United Corporation, which re-launched the Camillus brand in May 2009 using modern materials. But so many times the answer can be quite complicated. This is the #3 knife Camillus submitted for the test. Note the scabbards with and without sheet In the 1980s, the U.S. Armed Forces discussed improving the M3. We urge you to upload additional pictures to this gallery if you have some! Vietnam War Era US Camillus Fighting Knife - . The line is shorter on this one than others that extend the full length of the word "Camillus". If you collect USM3 fighting knife, have a look at our knife selection, you will find several authentic USM3 available. Fortunately for us, Camillus changed their stamps enough to map each one to different periods. All About Pocket Knives is a knife related resource center for buying, selling, researching, and discussing all things knives, Post Here are some links to other threads touching on this subject. The handle is made of a stack of leather washers. The blades have not been used or resharpened and Vintage Camco (Camillus) USA 2 Blade Jack Knife "Albany Felt Company"1960 - 1970 1997 Camillus Brown Bone Folding Hunter Made for the NKCA No Box, Never Carried , Has Factory Edge Nice Brown Bone with no Chips or Cracks Nickel Silver Bolsters For you nostalgia buffs, here's a good one to add to your collection. #3 Speak with Knife Collectors and Dealers. Utica (Utica Cutlery co.) --> 655,230 pieces. Frank explained that Camillus made 4 versions of this blade, 3 of which were adopted by the military. existence. with the government to sell the design and know how to make the knife. Milsco (Milwaukee Saddlery) at 140,494 copies, L&C (Lyon & Coulson) at 40,000 copies, Sbl co (Service Boots & Leggins) at 35,200 copies, Barwood (L.J. Camillus started making the JPSKs in 1959. The blade had a massive blood groove and upswept false edge on the spine. with steel domed rivets. So far I have not found the S card for These items steel dome pins. I know what I have and I got a good history lesson, Copyright 2004-2023 allaboutpocketknives.com, AAPK Tips and Tricks -- An Illustrated FAQ Forum on Steriods, Knife Lore - Traditional Knives From the Old Days, Cattaraugus Cutlery Collector's Forum, Great Eastern Cutlery (GEC) Collector's Forum, Robeson Cutlery Company Collector's Forum, Schatt & Morgan Knife Collector's Forum, Knife Related Creation, Modification, And Restoration Forums. Unknown: Believed to be a special hunting knife made for Sears Roebucks in 9/26/1941. by glennbad Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:55 am, Post May have belonged to my great grandfather's brother. SPRING HILL CUTLERY (eBay: bargainseller02). . Note the scabbards with and without sheet metal tip protectors. We select the most interesting fighting knives that we find online from serious collectors and militaria suppliers. KA-BAR, Robeson, Pal, Utica, Ontario and Camillus were the major manufacturers of the Mark 2. FREE SHIPPING FOR . Location: NC. Knife Collecting: The History of the Camillus M3, Ron Popeil, TV Knife Pitchman, Passes Away, Mastersmith Lin Rhea Honored As Arkansas Living Treasure, Walter Blackie Collins: Applying The Edge To BLADE Magazine, Best Tomahawks: Our Top Hawks For Backwoods To Battlefields (2023), American Knives: Legendary Designs From The Land Of The Free, Antique Switchblades: World War II And Beyond, Knifemaking 101 Read This Before You Make a Knife, 8 Things You May Not Know About Forged in Fire. Pilots Knife Made by Camillus. Blade length is 5 3/4 , total length is about 10 3/8. Below the knives are short write up of what they are. Camillus stagged bone grips with brass pins. --> 51,748 pieces, Another Western World War II fixed blade was the 46-8, a huge, impressive combat knife with an 8-inch blade. The M3 knife consists of 3 pressed steel parts: The blade, the hilt and the pommel washer. The tang stamp shown here is known as Camillus' four line stamp. Model number 5686. Knives were mounted in this way until stocks of stamped blades were exhausted in an effort to save money. Note that the Camillus brand emerged from bankruptcy in 2009, but this page will remain dedicated to the pre-bankruptcy knives. You must log in or register to reply here. Shameful right after the factory closes what comes out. . In the guides to dating Schrade knives, dating kissing crane knives, and knowing what era your ka-bar knife is from, there were a lot of years to deal with.
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